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jlevinjal (8:02 PM):Welcome.

mrsjohn2308 (8:02 PM):Hi Jim. I think I blew it today.

jlevinjal (8:02 PM):How so? (and who is this?)

mrsjohn2308 (8:02 PM):It's Elise

jlevinjal (8:02 PM):Hi Elise.

mrsjohn2308 (8:02 PM):I can't find my web folder. The server said it cannot find it.

jlevinjal (8:02 PM):You did all the same things?

mrsjohn2308 (8:03 PM):I went back to my original eportfolio and the link will not work there either.

jlevinjal (8:03 PM):okay, fortunately they back these things up, so don't panic.

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jlevinjal (8:04 PM):and you probably still have the files on your local computer?

jlevinjal (8:04 PM):Hi Tonya.

mrsjohn2308 (8:04 PM):I fixed up my eportfolio today (or so I thought) and when I went to post it, the link wouldn't work.

mrsjohn2308 (8:04 PM):Yes, I think so. I'll check with support tomorrow. Hi Tonya

jlevinjal (8:04 PM):Elise, what do you mean the link wouldn't work?

tdieken (8:04 PM):Hello!

mrsjohn2308 (8:04 PM):It said the server could not find my file.

jlevinjal (8:05 PM):Check with CTER tech, Elise. I'm sure there's a simple solution.

jlevinjal (8:05 PM):How's it going Tonya?

mrsjohn2308 (8:05 PM):I hope so. so ignore my work on the webboard.

tdieken (8:05 PM):it's hot...otherwise great

jlevinjal (8:05 PM):What do you mean ignore, Elisa. Not try to follow the links?

jlevinjal (8:06 PM):Yes, its hot here also, but starting to rain so that's cooling things a bit.

mrsjohn2308 (8:06 PM):Yes, since my e-portfolio won't show up.

jlevinjal (8:06 PM):Okay, we'll straighten that out. Send email to cter-tech describing your problem, then contact them tomorrow (via AIM chat, or phone, or whatever works best for you).

mrsjohn2308 (8:07 PM):Thanks

tdieken (8:07 PM):Norma chatted me through a problem last friday on AIM

jlevinjal (8:07 PM):Tonya, Elise is having problems accessing her web folder.

jlevinjal (8:07 PM):Norma's good at that.

tdieken (8:08 PM):sorry, trying to multi task

jlevinjal (8:08 PM):Elise, do you have other web server space you can access more easily?

tdieken (8:08 PM):I haven't had trouble with my folder but I had trouble posting replies in the WebBoard

mrsjohn2308 (8:08 PM):I don't know what you mean.

jlevinjal (8:09 PM):That's straightened out Tonya?

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jlevinjal (8:09 PM):Elise, sometimes you have space on an ISP or on a school or district server?

tdieken (8:09 PM):I was using "Post" in the past rather than hitting "reply to..." at the bottom. Yes, Jim it is fine now

jlevinjal (8:09 PM):Hi Josh.

jwbrownUIUC (8:09 PM):hello everyone

tdieken (8:09 PM):Hi Josh

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jlevinjal (8:10 PM):Welcome kragged. Who are you?

kragged (8:10 PM):Kitzmiller

kragged (8:10 PM):howdy

jlevinjal (8:10 PM):Hi John.

mrsjohn2308 (8:10 PM):Hey John

jlevinjal (8:10 PM):Elise, if not, don't worry about it.

tdieken (8:10 PM):Hi John

jwbrownUIUC (8:10 PM):hello John

jlevinjal (8:10 PM):Why kragged as an AIM name?

kragged (8:11 PM):Hi Tonya! 4+ hours on fixing links today! argh.

kragged (8:11 PM):Hey Josh, I just burned Dylan's Basement tapes

jlevinjal (8:11 PM):Wow, I didn't think that assignment would take so much time! :-(

mrsjohn2308 (8:11 PM):I've spent a lot of hours trying to put on some links.

tdieken (8:11 PM):I know what you mean

jwbrownUIUC (8:12 PM):The official ones, or the underground basement tapes?

mrsjohn2308 (8:12 PM):My family is afraid to talk to me.

tdieken (8:12 PM):mine should be...

tdieken (8:12 PM):just kidding!

jlevinjal (8:12 PM):Did you folks hear that we now have THREE expecting CTER5 folks?

mrsjohn2308 (8:12 PM):who?

jlevinjal (8:13 PM):Alli, Kathy D, and Tim I think.

tdieken (8:13 PM):John, I still haven't added new/interesting info to that page(s) I sent. I'll send again when I do

mrsjohn2308 (8:14 PM):Will you guys slow down?

jlevinjal (8:14 PM):BTW, you at the minimum only need to add 1 new/interesting thing.

jlevinjal (8:14 PM):(BTW = By The Way0

mrsjohn2308 (8:14 PM):What are we talking about?

tdieken (8:14 PM):as simple as a link or more information?

kragged (8:14 PM):Sorry, Josh, it was the bootleg series. A fancy boxed set with a book.

jlevinjal (8:14 PM):They're doing the group project to revise the White Paper their group was assigned.

tdieken (8:15 PM):Sorry Elise~I've been in and out, trying to speed read to catch up!

jwbrownUIUC (8:15 PM):John, Bootleg series is good, better than the basement tapes.

kragged (8:15 PM):Yeah, I love the poem about Woody Guthrie.

jlevinjal (8:16 PM):I did a quick count of number of turns in the session with Linda Polin, and there was a new turn every 4 seconds - let's try to not break that record here.

jwbrownUIUC (8:16 PM):Yeah, it is really good.Unreleased stuff.

jlevinjal (8:17 PM):ok, enough about tapes.

jlevinjal (8:17 PM):Questions about the class?

kragged (8:17 PM):getting back to the interesting change...

jlevinjal (8:17 PM):yes.

jlevinjal (8:18 PM):as Tonya asked, at least one new link will do.

jlevinjal (8:18 PM):And if you have difficulty fixing a broken link, just delete it.

tdieken (8:18 PM):you mean we didn't have to find a new one to support the information?

jlevinjal (8:19 PM):(though it would be good to spend at least a few minutes trying to fix it.

jlevinjal (8:19 PM):I'm not sure what you mean Tonya.

kragged (8:19 PM):I found a dozen or more that I researched to repair. If the old one didn't exist, I found a new one. Hours and hours.

kragged (8:19 PM):Tonya, how long did you put into it?

jlevinjal (8:19 PM):Well, that's good John, but "above and beyond".

tdieken (8:19 PM):same here John--that's what I mean Jim

tdieken (8:19 PM):four hours last thursday and two hours sunday

tdieken (8:20 PM): a lot of links....

jlevinjal (8:20 PM):I'm sure that will make the white paper quite a bit better. Be sure to put your names at the top as "revised by. ..."

kragged (8:20 PM):Plus some of the writer's info and interpretation was a bit off the mark. Like about Lessig.

jlevinjal (8:20 PM):Those papers get quite a lot of hits, so your hard work will pay off with fame.

kragged (8:20 PM):Show me the money:-)

tdieken (8:21 PM):oh yeah, when I would do searches the pages always came up!

jlevinjal (8:21 PM):on in the movies does that work.

jlevinjal (8:21 PM):only, I mean

tdieken (8:21 PM)::-D

jlevinjal (8:21 PM):Josh and Elise, have your groups started to work yet?

mrsjohn2308 (8:22 PM):No, we have been so busy with the other work so far.

mrsjohn2308 (8:22 PM):I hope I understand what you want us to do.

jwbrownUIUC (8:22 PM):I have read through everything, but we haven't divided everything up yet.

jlevinjal (8:22 PM):Okay, John and Tonya and ? (who else is in your group) got an early start.

kragged (8:22 PM):Vanessa

jlevinjal (8:22 PM):yes, Vanessa.

mrsjohn2308 (8:23 PM):We check the links only or do we rewrite the paper?

jlevinjal (8:23 PM):1) check and fix links, 2) add some new interesting resource, 3) describe what major changes are needed.

jlevinjal (8:23 PM):You'll need to modify the paper, but not in a major way.

jlevinjal (8:24 PM):We'll pass on your suggestions for major changes to the CTER4 students taking Nick's course next month, and they'll be making more major changes.

mrsjohn2308 (8:24 PM):That helps me a lot. Thanks!

mrsjohn2308 (8:25 PM):I was hoping Mary and Jeff would be here so that I could get their AIM ids and communicate easier.

jlevinjal (8:25 PM):I'll look at my description again in the syllabus, and see if I can clarify it.

jlevinjal (8:26 PM):You can email them ask ask for the AIM ids.

jlevinjal (8:26 PM):and ask

mrsjohn2308 (8:26 PM):I am a bit slow these days:-\

mrsjohn2308 (8:26 PM):That's what I plan to do.

jlevinjal (8:26 PM):as long as you get there, Elise.

tdieken (8:27 PM):Just a thought but maybe more info with the June 26 date for the white papers might help. It seems like several people haven't looked ahead to July 2nd or other places

mrsjohn2308 (8:27 PM):what's July 2nd?

jlevinjal (8:27 PM):yes, I think you folks pointed out the confusing dates associated with that assignment - I'll look after this session.

tdieken (8:27 PM):The date with more info on the white papers

jlevinjal (8:28 PM):Hey, July 2nd is next month - why worry, be happy ;-)

tdieken (8:28 PM):Hey, we were happy to hear the later date;-)

mrsjohn2308 (8:28 PM):I do like this way of communicating better than some of the others.

jlevinjal (8:29 PM):It helps that there are fewer of us here.

mrsjohn2308 (8:29 PM):Definitely

kragged (8:29 PM):Jim, is there a stylesheet for references? You suggested some could be removed; I noted some seemed superfluous and other places that needed more support.

jlevinjal (8:29 PM):(but the icons are cute also ;-)

jlevinjal (8:30 PM):I don't think there was a standard format given to the CTER1 students for references - I'll check and get back to you John.

jlevinjal (8:30 PM):For this assignment, I'd remove the extraneous ones, and note in your major change suggestions what's needed (unless you have them handy - then just add them).

kragged (8:32 PM):One thing I wanted to do is redline the paper. Familiar with that term?

tdieken (8:32 PM):is that marking comments--"tracking" in Word.

jlevinjal (8:32 PM):Tell me what you mean by that, John.

mrsjohn2308 (8:33 PM):Please don't confuse me with your jargon, guys.

kragged (8:33 PM):Yes, strikethrough the text you want to change, and double underline or somehow identify your suggested changes.

jlevinjal (8:33 PM):(you probably don't mean, drive it so that it revolves faster than the manufacturer recommends):-)

tdieken (8:33 PM):sorry Elise--in Word you can select things you want to change and insert a comment that can be tracked by the next reader.

kragged (8:34 PM):lol

kragged (8:34 PM):u know me and cars...

jlevinjal (8:34 PM):Why not just make the changes?

kragged (8:34 PM):ok. it's a peer review kinda thing. I wasn't the original author...

tdieken (8:35 PM):afraid to change the intent of the author...

jlevinjal (8:35 PM):I'll probably keep around both the original and your revised, and let readers pick which they want.

tdieken (8:35 PM):good:-p

jlevinjal (8:35 PM):Besides, I've asked the CTER1 folks and nobody has objected to your making changes. (trusting soles that they are)

kragged (8:35 PM):Does that assignment still exist in the course?

jlevinjal (8:36 PM):Well, Nick has said that he's going to make it an assignment again in the course he teaches in July to the CTER4 folks.

jlevinjal (8:36 PM):He had a different assignment for CTER2 and CTER3 folks - also an interesting one.

jlevinjal (8:37 PM):They came up with policy recommendations for their schools/districts.

tdieken (8:37 PM):that would be useful

jlevinjal (8:37 PM):I'll put the link to those in WebBoard Resources, in case you're interested.

tdieken (8:38 PM):that would be nice thanks!

jlevinjal (8:39 PM):Philosophy can actually be useful 8-)

jlevinjal (8:40 PM):He's also going to use the Memorable Story framework you all used for Troubleshooting to elicit memorable stories about ethical and social policy issues in technology use.

jlevinjal (8:40 PM):(at least I hope you all contributed memorable troubleshooting stories ;-))

mrsjohn2308 (8:41 PM):You know I have a ton!

mrsjohn2308 (8:41 PM):and it's still going!!

kragged (8:41 PM):Yes, I thought I did and did again today. And I had a new one involving my daughter again today!

jlevinjal (8:42 PM):You can submit as many as you like, as long as its more than zero.

tdieken (8:42 PM):ahhh, math humor?!?

jlevinjal (8:42 PM):And if people like them, you'll be in the top ten list!

jlevinjal (8:42 PM)::-D

jlevinjal (8:45 PM):How are the other assignments going? Any questions about them?

tdieken (8:45 PM):so far so good I think

jlevinjal (8:45 PM):good to hear Tonya.

jlevinjal (8:46 PM):Some neat projects you all are doing!

mrsjohn2308 (8:46 PM):I'll let you know if I can find my folder, Jim, Otherwise, I think it's finally clicking.

jlevinjal (8:46 PM):(sorry, that came out Yoda-like)

jlevinjal (8:46 PM):We'll get that straightened out Elise.

mrsjohn2308 (8:46 PM)::-DI know

tdieken (8:47 PM):elise~sometimes I will be missing an 'l' at the end of the filename extension and it prevents me from viewing sites

tdieken (8:47 PM):that's an "L"

tdieken (8:47 PM):html rather than htm

jlevinjal (8:48 PM):Good suggestion, Tonya. But that's not the problem for Elise.

mrsjohn2308 (8:48 PM):But for your web folder, I thought it was supposed to be htm only

mrsjohn2308 (8:48 PM):Thanks, Tonya

jlevinjal (8:48 PM):It can be either, as long as you know what it is.

tdieken (8:48 PM):sorry, just a thought

mrsjohn2308 (8:49 PM):I am determined, so it will be solved!!!!>:o

jlevinjal (8:49 PM):Have you Windows users all turned off the hiding of extensions?

tdieken (8:49 PM):good luck! Elise

jlevinjal (8:49 PM):That should help clarify things.

tdieken (8:49 PM):No Jim I haven't

jlevinjal (8:49 PM):There's a note on that in the Resources conference, I believe.

jlevinjal (8:49 PM):On how to do that.

jlevinjal (8:50 PM):Good attitude, Elise.

tdieken (8:50 PM):well, I'm off to tuck in the rugrats! Talk more later.

kragged (8:50 PM):ta-ta folks. I have to get some sleep before Germany and Brazil get to the finals. But I'll check my "l's" first.

jlevinjal (8:50 PM):CU later Tonya.

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jlevinjal (8:50 PM):Best of luck - who you rooting for John?

mrsjohn2308 (8:51 PM):thanks for the encouragement. I am going to email tech support and turn this thing off for the day.

jlevinjal (8:51 PM):(did you check out Senegal's human rights policy)

mrsjohn2308 (8:51 PM):bye all

jlevinjal (8:51 PM):Best of luck, Elise.

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kragged (8:51 PM):Germany. Never got a chance to look into that, but I didn't like their style of play after all.

jlevinjal (8:51 PM):Have fun watching.

kragged (8:52 PM):signing off

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jlevinjal (8:52 PM):cu later John.

jlevinjal (8:52 PM):Any questions, Josh?

jwbrownUIUC (8:52 PM):No, not right now.

jlevinjal (8:53 PM):okay, I'll be here tomorrow, but an hour earlier. (the schedule in in the Resrouces conference of webboard)

jwbrownUIUC (8:53 PM):CU Later

jlevinjal (8:53 PM):Cu

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