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(4:07 PM) klindworthdavis has entered the room.

klindworthdavis (4:07 PM):     hi

jlevinjal (4:07 PM): Hi, is this Kathy?

klindworthdavis (4:07 PM):     yes, it is.

jlevinjal (4:07 PM): How's it going?

klindworthdavis (4:07 PM):     pretty good.  we just got back from the ultrasound and everything looks okay.

jlevinjal (4:07 PM): Great news!

klindworthdavis (4:08 PM):     everything else is going pretty well.  still struggling somewhat with my webpage, but i think it will come together

jlevinjal (4:09 PM): Yes, it's looking very nice.

klindworthdavis (4:09 PM):     For our final presentation, how will we go about presenting  it?

jlevinjal (4:10 PM): Did you look at the links to the two transcripts I put in the syllabus?

jlevinjal (4:11 PM): One is to the presentations made in WebBoard last summer and one is to the presentations made in TAPPED IN by CTER4 students.

klindworthdavis (4:11 PM):     I ahave looked at so many things this week, they are all blending together.  I will go back and check.

jlevinjal (4:11 PM): THe reason your graphics are not appearing is because

jlevinjal (4:11 PM): your web editor is putting in "file:" URLs rather than relative URLs.

jlevinjal (4:11 PM): Which web editor are you using?

klindworthdavis (4:12 PM):     isn't there something in the reference section of webboard about that?

klindworthdavis (4:12 PM):     Front Page 2002

jlevinjal (4:12 PM): Yes, take a look and let me know if that doesn't help.

jlevinjal (4:12 PM): For example, one is: file:///C:/DOCUME~1/Owner/LOCALS~1/Temp/FrontPageTempDir/mstheme/network/anetvbtn.gif

jlevinjal (4:12 PM): It should be just   anetvbtn.gif

jlevinjal (4:12 PM): and you have to make sure you have that file in your web folder.

jlevinjal (4:13 PM): Same for each of the other graphics.

jlevinjal (4:13 PM): So 1) find that file and copy it over, and 2) double click on each graphic, and take out all that initial stuff except for the file name.

klindworthdavis (4:14 PM):     when i saved the page to my desktop it said about embedding files while doing that.  then it had an icon on my desktop.  Is that what I need to put in the webfolder?

jlevinjal (4:14 PM): It may look broken when you view it locally, but it will work when you copy it to your web folder and view it through a web browser.

jlevinjal (4:15 PM): I'm not sure - is the icon a folder?

jlevinjal (4:15 PM): It may have copied all the graphics for you into one folder?

klindworthdavis (4:15 PM):     no, it looks just like the icon for the page itself.

jlevinjal (4:15 PM): I don't use Frontpage so I'm not sure what that is.

klindworthdavis (4:17 PM):     I am not sure I like Front Page.

jlevinjal (4:17 PM): But that's why those graphics aren't showing up.

jlevinjal (4:17 PM): Like many Microsoft products, it sometimes (often?) tries to be TOO helpful.

klindworthdavis (4:17 PM):     when i go else where in the page and come back the graphics show up.  is that normal?

jlevinjal (4:18 PM): Yes, because it knows where the graphics are on your local hard disk.

jlevinjal (4:18 PM): But that doesn't work when you have it on the server (the web server can't look on your local hard disk for file:///C:/DOCUME~1/Owner/LOCALS~1/Temp/FrontPageTempDir/mstheme/network/anetvbtn.gif

klindworthdavis (4:18 PM):     so, if I used someone elses computer it they wouldn't show up at all?

jlevinjal (4:19 PM): True.  Also they wouldn't show up if you used a web browser on your local computer and used the full URL to your  web page.

jlevinjal (4:19 PM): So, if you start up IE, and go to

jlevinjal (4:19 PM):       http://students.ed.uiuc.edu/kkdavis/EdPsy387majorproject.htm

jlevinjal (4:19 PM): none of those graphics show up.

klindworthdavis (4:19 PM):     I have used the full URL and that is what happened.  I went on and viewed the page with the full address.

klindworthdavis (4:20 PM):     I am checking it again.

jlevinjal (4:20 PM): And you need to transfer each of those graphic files. A  way to test if they're there is in your web brower to ask to see them by typing in the URL to them:

jlevinjal (4:21 PM): For example: http://students.ed.uiuc.edu/kkdavis/anetvbtn.gif

jlevinjal (4:21 PM): If the file were there, you'd see that graphic.

klindworthdavis (4:22 PM):     which graphics are you talking about?  Like the links to pages within the webpage?

jlevinjal (4:22 PM): Now there's probably some way to get FrontPage to do that automatically, especially if you were going to store the files on a Microsoft web server.

jlevinjal (4:23 PM): For each graphic in insert, you get an "image" tag that contains the name of the file.  The names are in "URL" like format.

klindworthdavis (4:23 PM):     okay.  So, if I look at it in the http view I would see these?

jlevinjal (4:24 PM): Yes.  So, for one of the graphics on your page,

jlevinjal (4:24 PM): you have: <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME~1/Owner/LOCALS~1/Temp/FrontPageTempDir/mstheme/network/anetvbtn.gif" border="0" alt="Watch Me Grow!" width="140" height="24" usemap="#FPMap3">

jlevinjal (4:25 PM): The part I'm talking about is the   src=   part, which specifies the name of the graphic file.

klindworthdavis (4:25 PM):     Can I go in and physically delete everything before the anetubtn.gif and that would correct it?

jlevinjal (4:25 PM): You need that to say just   src=anetvbtn.gif

jlevinjal (4:26 PM): and have that file on your server space.

klindworthdavis (4:26 PM):     Then just resave and to the server?

jlevinjal (4:26 PM): Yep - try it with one to make sure you're clear, then when that works, you can fix the rest.

klindworthdavis (4:27 PM):     For all the graphics it will have the anetubtn.gif?

jlevinjal (4:27 PM): no, each will have a different name.

jlevinjal (4:27 PM): if they are different graphics.

klindworthdavis (4:27 PM):     will they all have the .gif?

jlevinjal (4:28 PM): yes, I think they all are .gif (though they could be .jpg)

jlevinjal (4:28 PM): Look at the HTML view to see what I mean.

klindworthdavis (4:28 PM):     so, I could look for that as a verification of where I need to look to delete things?

jlevinjal (4:29 PM): In the HTML view, you'll see what you need to delete (all the stuff before the actual file name), and also where that file is that you need to copy to the server.

jlevinjal (4:29 PM): All the stuff before the file name is the path to the file.

jlevinjal (4:29 PM): on your local hard disk.

klindworthdavis (4:29 PM):     okay.  I will give it a shot.  Thanks so much!

jlevinjal (4:30 PM): Great, let me know if this is still not clear.

jlevinjal (4:30 PM): after you give it a try.

klindworthdavis (4:30 PM):     talk to you soon.  bye

jlevinjal (4:30 PM): CU later Kathy.

jlevinjal: Hi Alli, you there?

a17n17drew:   I'm here!

jlevinjal: Still having troubles getting into the chat space?

a17n17drew:   Yes.  What do I have to do?

jlevinjal: One suggestion is to log out of AIM, then log in again, then click on the chat space button.  Have you tried that yet?

a17n17drew:   Yes

jlevinjal: Still doesn't work?

jlevinjal: What does it say when you click on the chat space button?

a17n17drew:   Let me do it gain so I can tell you

a17n17drew:   An attempt to interpret a URL prefixed with "aim" has been made while you were offline.  Please sign on to IM and try again

jlevinjal: Hmm, how old is your AIM software?

a17n17drew:   I thought I downloaded it with the software we were sent

jlevinjal: You might want to try updating it, by going to  http://aim.aol.com

a17n17drew:   ok

jlevinjal: but do that later, let's chat.

a17n17drew:   great

jlevinjal: What's up?

a17n17drew:   I wasn't sure about the next assignment. 

jlevinjal: The multimedia one?

a17n17drew:   I know that I have to get a sound or audio file onto a page, but I don't really know how

a17n17drew:   do I have to create it or just find one?

jlevinjal: You can do either.

a17n17drew:   How do I use something someone else created without infringing on copyright laws?

jlevinjal: If just have a link to it, I don't think that violates copyright - interesting ethical/legal question, though.

jlevinjal: So, if you copied it to your server space, that might violate copyright.

jlevinjal: But if you just link to it on the other server where you found it, probably not.

a17n17drew:   ok makes sense

a17n17drew:   How do you record from your internal mike?

jlevinjal: So find something that is interesting - in the best case, something that augments your major project, but if not, just create a new page.

jlevinjal: What platform (Mac or Win)?

a17n17drew:   mac

jlevinjal: Okay, do you have a built in mike? (what mac)

a17n17drew:   imac (um from last year)

jlevinjal: Or do you have a mike that you can plug in that came with the Mac?

a17n17drew:   i don't have a mike to plig in, and I guess i'd have to find out waht kind of internal mike

jlevinjal: I think Imacs have a built in mike.  Try going to the Sound control panel, and see if you can record an alert sound there (make sure the "source" is internal mike - in fact if it gives you that choice, then you probably have an internal mike).

a17n17drew:   ok

jlevinjal: Do you have Imovie on your imac?

a17n17drew:   yes

jlevinjal: Okay, then that's the software to use if you in fact have an internal mike and it works from the Sound control panel.  You'll create a new Quicktime movie file that just has sound.

a17n17drew:   Ok I did it and it worked

jlevinjal: Great.  So start up IMovie and see if you can record there.

a17n17drew:   So I'm trying to think of something creative to add to my page (journals online in Spanish) and I'm not sure.

jlevinjal: It would be nice to have a simple welcome audio message in Spanish.

a17n17drew:   Ok--that's what I was thinking.  I wasn't sure if that was enough

jlevinjal: Sure, that's fine - this assignment is just mainly an "awareness" and "how to get started" assignment.

a17n17drew:   My boards support HTML.  Could the kids do a voice recording on the boards?

jlevinjal: You should talk to Norma about using Wimba for that sort of thing - she's really intersted in Wimba and would love to work with you to use that for language things in Spanish.

jlevinjal: I think Wimba allows you to connect sound files to most any other application.

a17n17drew:   I've contacted her a few times and I'm waiting to hear.

a17n17drew:   That would be a great application

jlevinjal: Good idea, but you probably won't get it done by the end of EdPsy 387.  But keep it in mind and maybe you can work it into part of your next class project in July.

jlevinjal: Wimba, that is.

a17n17drew:   OK I'm going to try to mess around with iMovie.  Wimba sounds great, and I think I'd like to try it.

jlevinjal: Okay, and keep trying to get the AIM conferencing to work.  You'll need it for final project presentations and your next course.

jlevinjal: ALso, be sure to "log" the troubles on your troubleshooting log

a17n17drew:   I'll try to fix it. I'll let you know Monday--I was worried about next week with AIM  Hopefully I'll get it straight.  Thank you, Jim!

a17n17drew:   Oh, ya.  The log

jlevinjal: useful troubleshooting aid

a17n17drew:   great.  AHve a great weekend! 

jlevinjal: Did you hear, by the way, that Kathy Davis is also pregnant

jlevinjal: and that Tim Pletcher's wife is also?

jlevinjal: CTER5 is already a very productive group.

a17n17drew:   No that's so cool.  are we the most fertile group yet?  and we still have two years!

jlevinjal: Well you folks are certainly off to the quickest start.

a17n17drew:   cool!

jlevinjal: have a great weekend.

a17n17drew:   I Can't wait until my "someone" arrives!

a17n17drew:   BYE!

jlevinjal: what's the big date?

a17n17drew:   dec. 24!!

jlevinjal: Hey, our daughter was born on Dec 25!

a17n17drew:   does she like the x-mas b-day?

jlevinjal: Sure, double the presents!

a17n17drew:   true!  btw, thank you for your help!

jlevinjal: sure, cu later.

a17n17drew:   BYE!

(5:03 PM) jwbrownUIUC has entered the room.

jwbrownUIUC (5:04 PM):  hello Jim

jlevinjal (5:04 PM): Hi Josh - how's it going?

jwbrownUIUC (5:04 PM):  OK, I have a quick question for you

jlevinjal (5:05 PM): sure, go ahead.

jwbrownUIUC (5:05 PM):  I am working with Kathy and Val on the White Papers, Kathy and I are finished but we haven't heard from Val, after numerous emails.

jlevinjal (5:06 PM): Yes, a common problem in many of the groups

jwbrownUIUC (5:06 PM):  Do we go ahead and do her section?

jlevinjal (5:06 PM): What I recommend is that you just integrate your changes into one copy and then wait til the deadline.

jlevinjal (5:06 PM): No, don't do her section, just yours.

jwbrownUIUC (5:07 PM):  OK

jlevinjal (5:07 PM): Then when the deadline comes, submit what you have, leaving her section unchanged (if she hasn't done it by then).

jlevinjal (5:07 PM): Then in your webboard posting, explain what you did (and who did it).

jwbrownUIUC (5:07 PM):  Sounds good, I will inform Kathy, Thanks for sticking around the chat.

jlevinjal (5:08 PM): Okay, have a great weekend.  I'll be here tomorrow afternoon if you have more questions.

jwbrownUIUC (5:08 PM):  CU

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