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tdieken (2:58
PM): I'm trying to add narration to my PPT
show and when it uploads it delays
jlevinjal
(2:58 PM): Hi folks. Tonya and ? (who is roxydirector)?
roxydirector
(2:58 PM): Dia
jlevinjal
(2:58 PM): Hi Dia.
roxydirector
(2:58 PM): I've missed all the chats this week so I
thought I'd check in
tdieken (2:59
PM): how are you doing?
jlevinjal
(2:59 PM): They're all logged.
roxydirector
(2:59 PM): OK
jlevinjal
(2:59 PM): Pretty good - how about you two?
roxydirector
(2:59 PM): Seems like I've spent about 5 or 6 hours
a day on the computer this week though.
tdieken (2:59
PM): just trouble shooting everything
tdieken (2:59
PM): me too!
roxydirector
(3:00 PM): Actually, that's conservative...
jlevinjal
(3:00 PM): Well, these summer 4 week courses tend
to be intensive.
tdieken (3:00
PM): how much time would you say per week, we
will spend in the fall?
roxydirector
(3:01 PM): So it will be less intensive come fall?
jlevinjal
(3:01 PM): Just make sure you have your computers
set up so you're comfortable.
jlevinjal
(3:01 PM): Yes, the courses will be spread over 15
weeks.
(3:01 PM)
mrsjohn2308 has entered the room.
roxydirector
(3:01 PM): Thank God!
jlevinjal
(3:01 PM): So there will be about 1/4 the work per
week.
jlevinjal
(3:01 PM): Hi Elise.
tdieken (3:01
PM): Hi Elise
mrsjohn2308
(3:01 PM): Hi everyone
roxydirector
(3:01 PM): Hi Elise
mrsjohn2308
(3:01 PM): Who is roxydirector?
jlevinjal
(3:02 PM): That's Dia.
roxydirector
(3:02 PM): Dia
mrsjohn2308
(3:02 PM): Oh, hi Dia
jlevinjal
(3:02 PM): Why the name roxydirector, Dia?
roxydirector
(3:02 PM): Hi
roxydirector
(3:02 PM): I'm the orchestra director for a theater
group called the Roxy Group.
jlevinjal
(3:03 PM): Ok, that might help me remember.
jlevinjal
(3:03 PM): Is this a school group or community
group?
roxydirector
(3:03 PM): Community
roxydirector
(3:03 PM): We put on "Concert Musicals"
at New Salem Visitor Center twice a year.
jlevinjal
(3:04 PM): Do you have to dress up in period
costumes?
(3:04 PM)
kragged has entered the room.
roxydirector
(3:04 PM): No, since they're concert musicals, we
usually do Black evening dresses.
jlevinjal
(3:04 PM): Who is kragged?
jlevinjal
(3:04 PM): Welcome, whoever.
roxydirector
(3:04 PM): Hi John
kragged (3:04
PM): kitzmiller
mrsjohn2308
(3:04 PM): Hey John
kragged (3:05
PM): howdy all!
jlevinjal
(3:05 PM): Welcome John Ki.
jlevinjal
(3:05 PM): (we also have another John K., as I
discovered from one assignment that was signed John K.)
jlevinjal
(3:05 PM): Any questions or issues with the course?
roxydirector
(3:05 PM): Oh, yeah Kelsey
tdieken (3:05
PM): Hi John-just sent email
roxydirector
(3:06 PM): Looking ahead to next week, I assume
theppt we are to watch will tell us how to imbed video in a web page?
mrsjohn2308
(3:06 PM): I read it and still am having difficulty
embedding the audio clip into my webpage.
jlevinjal
(3:07 PM): Well, the simple way is to just link to
it (as if it were an html file - same for audio.
roxydirector
(3:07 PM): I plan on trying to readit tomorrow.
tdieken (3:07
PM): my audio and the presentation is very
slow and I'm using DSL
mrsjohn2308
(3:07 PM): Thought I tried it and still couldn't
get it to link.
jlevinjal
(3:08 PM): What happened, Elise, when you tried the
link?
mrsjohn2308
(3:08 PM): It would never take the link - that is,
it would not let me click on it - it was shaded out.
jlevinjal
(3:09 PM): What web editor are you using?
mrsjohn2308
(3:09 PM): Netscape Composer, I think
jlevinjal
(3:09 PM): Ok, so you highlighted the text for the
link, then clicked on the link tool (the chain link icon)?
mrsjohn2308
(3:10 PM): Yes
jlevinjal
(3:10 PM): Then you typed in the URL for the audio?
Was that audio file on your web server space or on some other web server?
mrsjohn2308
(3:11 PM): I thought it was on my web server space.
jlevinjal
(3:11 PM): So you typed just the name of the file
as the URL?
mrsjohn2308
(3:11 PM): That is all that would come up
jlevinjal
(3:11 PM): (or better yet, copied the name and
pasted it in?)
mrsjohn2308
(3:11 PM): of course
jlevinjal
(3:12 PM): So is the link blue and underlined?
mrsjohn2308
(3:12 PM): It would not let me save the link
mrsjohn2308
(3:12 PM): It was shaded gray
jlevinjal
(3:12 PM): What did it say when it wouldn't let you
save the link?
mrsjohn2308
(3:12 PM): Nothing - it looked like it was waiting
for something else before save would be highlighted
jlevinjal
(3:13 PM): What's the name of the audio file?
mrsjohn2308
(3:13 PM): I will keep trying - you know it usually
takes me many times before I get it
jlevinjal
(3:13 PM): Ok, but if it still doesn't work after a
couple tries, let me or
cter-tech know. Don't want you (or any of you) to get TOO
frustrated.
jlevinjal
(3:13 PM):
jlevinjal
(3:14 PM): Any other questions about the multimedia
assignment?
tdieken (3:14
PM): Jim, if we researched new sites for
non-existent links, does this count as extending the paper?
jlevinjal
(3:15 PM): I'm not sure what you mean by
"non-existent
tdieken (3:15
PM): white papers, sorry
tdieken (3:15
PM): links where the site is no longer
available
jlevinjal
(3:15 PM): By "non-existent links" do you
mean broken links?
jlevinjal
(3:15 PM): I want you to do that. but I also want
you to add at least one new link also.
tdieken (3:15
PM): possibly; some just needed to be update
to a site that exists;
kragged (3:15
PM): let's get a definition here.
jlevinjal
(3:15 PM): That's the "new direction"
jlevinjal
(3:16 PM): Ok, JohnKi
kragged (3:16
PM): A link that is moved to a new place is
easy to fix.
kragged (3:16
PM): A link that cannot be traced needs to be
researched and replaced with something new.
tdieken (3:16
PM): yeah, but finding one that supports the
info takes quite a bit of research
tdieken (3:16
PM): ditto what john said
kragged (3:17
PM): the latte is altogether a
"different kettle of fish"
kragged (3:17
PM): latter, not latte
jlevinjal
(3:17 PM): Latte is good also.
kragged (3:17
PM): not fish flavored
roxydirector
(3:17 PM): We can eliminate links that aren't
fixable tho, can't we?
roxydirector
(3:17 PM): As long as we don't eliminate a lot of
them.
tdieken (3:18
PM): i don't think our group was clear on
that when we started, Dia
jlevinjal
(3:18 PM): I certainly don't want to discourage the
research to replace the link, but I think Dia has hit on what I'd suggest if
you have trouble fixing the link - just delete it.
tdieken (3:18
PM): what about the info that goes with
it? leave it?
jlevinjal
(3:18 PM): I don't want this assignment to be a BIG
thing.
kragged (3:18
PM): but they support important issues in the
text!
kragged (3:18
PM): it got way too big for our group
methinks
tdieken (3:18
PM): yep
jlevinjal
(3:19 PM): For now, just leave it, but make a
suggestion that the CTER4 group that deals with this next month find new links.
roxydirector
(3:19 PM): So, leave the text, but remove the link?
jlevinjal
(3:19 PM): That is, leave the text, delete the
link, suggest that the next group to deal with it find new links.
kragged (3:19
PM): we've already found them! where's the
money!?!
tdieken (3:20
PM): yeah!
roxydirector
(3:20 PM): Do we leave a notation that the link was
removed?
jlevinjal
(3:20 PM):
kragged (3:20
PM): how dooo u doo that?
tdieken (3:20
PM):
roxydirector
(3:20 PM):
jlevinjal
(3:20 PM): You can leave a note - but also put it
into your webboard report of changes you made and suggestions you make.
kragged (3:20
PM): my daughter is at camp so she can't show
me emoticons
tdieken (3:20
PM): click on the little face then choose one
roxydirector
(3:21 PM): Do we each make our own web board report
roxydirector
(3:21 PM): Or do we put that all together in one
also?
jlevinjal
(3:21 PM): Sure, report on what you did for your
part of the group project. I want
the modified paper all together, but separate webboard reports.
mrsjohn2308
(3:22 PM): My group is having trouble with saving
the WHOLE paper on one computer - That is a ton of pages for our paper!
jlevinjal
(3:22 PM): That will help me deal with groups where
one person didn't help.
jlevinjal
(3:22 PM): How many pages, Elise?
mrsjohn2308
(3:23 PM): Well, with the Free Speech paper, my
section has about 10 pages, Jeff's has a ton, and the last section also has a
bunch.
tdieken (3:23
PM): oh my!
mrsjohn2308
(3:23 PM): How can I get it to save the entire
paper? It only saves it one page
at a time
mrsjohn2308
(3:24 PM): OOPs mine has 7
jlevinjal
(3:24 PM): Okay, for the white papers that have a
bunch of pages that you're able to separate and each change one, just tell me
in your webboard report what folder or directory you've put them in, and I'll
copy them and combine them.
mrsjohn2308
(3:24 PM): Sounds better, thanks. I'll let Jeff and Mary know. She showed up today at last!
roxydirector
(3:25 PM): What do you mean by folder or directory?
jlevinjal
(3:25 PM): For the 7 pages, just load each into the
browser, then Save As (Source). Do
that seven times.
jlevinjal
(3:25 PM): Put them all into one folder or
directory, so I can easily fine them when they're on your web space.
mrsjohn2308
(3:25 PM): I can do that just fine
jlevinjal
(3:26 PM): That is, put your 7 into a folder, and
then have Mary and Jeff do the same with their pages on their web spaces.
jlevinjal
(3:26 PM): You can create new folders/directories
in your web space, Dia.
roxydirector
(3:26 PM): Do we load them into our web folder like
our web pages?
jlevinjal
(3:27 PM): I suggest that you do that for each new
CTER course after this one.
jlevinjal
(3:27 PM): Yes, load the modified White Paper files
into your web folder, then put the URL to it/them in your webboard posting.
jlevinjal
(3:28 PM): For groups that just have one or a few
pages, I suggest one member be the "keeper of the master file".
kragged (3:28
PM): Hey Jim, the (Source) deal. Is that a
netscape feature?
jlevinjal
(3:28 PM): Then, all changes by the others would be
sent to that person, who wouldl put all changes into one file. Then when all done, copy that to your
web folder.
kragged (3:29
PM): sorry to interrupt, i'll wait
jlevinjal
(3:29 PM): Yes, Netscape gives options of Text or
Source. IE gives options of "Web Archive", "HTML Source" or
"Plain Text". I suggest
HTML Source.
jlevinjal
(3:30 PM): Dia, to finish, then the group is all
done, the one or few files would be uploaded to the "keeper of the master
file's" webspace, and each group member would post that URL in their
webboard posting.
kragged (3:30
PM): IE gives: "complete, archive, html
only or text"
jlevinjal
(3:31 PM): Oh, a difference between Mac IE and Win
IE. I'm not sure, but definitely
DO NOT select Text.
jlevinjal
(3:31 PM): If you do, you'll lose all the
formatting.
kragged (3:31
PM): actually that's what I ended up doing to
save the workbench results! It was the only thing that worked.
jlevinjal
(3:32 PM): Some folks did that with the eportfolio
template, and lost the formatting of that template.
jlevinjal
(3:32 PM): Well, for the Web Evaluation Workbench,
there was not much formatting to lose, at least.
kragged (3:32
PM): little if any, but i'm not helping dia
with conglomerating her white paper....
jlevinjal
(3:33 PM): It suggests in fact, just copying and
pasting.
jlevinjal
(3:33 PM): As I remember the structure of the white
papers, most are just one file, but some are several, and I remember at least
one (Elise's group) that is many files.
jlevinjal
(3:34 PM): For the one file, you'll definately need
to have one person as the keeper of the master file.
jlevinjal
(3:34 PM): For the others, if you can divide up the
files so that each person is working on just one, then that's not necessary.
jlevinjal
(3:34 PM): I mean, so that each file is worked on
by only one person.
jlevinjal
(3:35 PM): Have I totally confused the issue?
jlevinjal
(3:35 PM): (that's the icon for "foot in
mouth")
mrsjohn2308
(3:36 PM): I must admit, this was a confusing
assignment
mrsjohn2308
(3:36 PM): but I think we're "on the road
again"!
jlevinjal
(3:36 PM): I'll clarify the syllabus yet again, and
certainly the next CTER groups will be less confused (I hope).
roxydirector
(3:36 PM): When I save it, shouldn't I then be able
to edit it?
roxydirector
(3:37 PM): I just tried to do that and it wouldn't
let me.
jlevinjal
(3:37 PM): Yes, save it to your local hard disk,
then edit it. What web editor are
you using?
kragged (3:37
PM): u need to load it into the editor
roxydirector
(3:37 PM): Oh, ok
roxydirector
(3:37 PM): I forgot to do that
jlevinjal
(3:38 PM): It's very much like what you did at
orientation with the eportfolio template.
jlevinjal (3:38
PM): But for some groups, you have to do that repeatedly, with
each separate file in the white paper.
roxydirector
(3:38 PM): That was a million years ago!
jlevinjal
(3:39 PM): Just trying to make connections
roxydirector
(3:39 PM):
jlevinjal (3:40
PM): You folks are really developing some great major
projects! Any questions about that
process?
roxydirector
(3:40 PM): So, I make my changes then how do I get
them to our keeper of the Master Files?
kragged (3:40
PM): email works
roxydirector
(3:40 PM): that's what I thought. Just making sure.
jlevinjal
(3:41 PM): Are your changes in the same file as
changes others in your group are making?
yes, email works.
roxydirector
(3:41 PM): For the final presentation, do we use
the web site we created this week and update it?
roxydirector
(3:42 PM): I'm talking about the major project.
jlevinjal
(3:42 PM): Everyone is to look through all the
other major project report sites and major projects. For the presentation, you can show parts of either site, but
try to focus on the most important/most interesting things you've learned,
rather
jlevinjal
(3:42 PM): than trying to show everything.
jlevinjal
(3:43 PM): THat is, everyone looks at your report
and site ahead of time. Assume
they've seen both in making your presentation.
tdieken (3:43
PM): could you remind me where to look to see
how we will be presenting this?
jlevinjal
(3:43 PM): Start out with a brief reminder of what
you did, then focus on most important/most interesting.
jlevinjal (3:43
PM): Look, Tonya, in the syllabus page for final project.
jlevinjal
(3:44 PM): I have links there to the logs of
presentations from last year's CTER4 group in this class.
roxydirector
(3:45 PM): Do we have a date and time for this
presentation?
jlevinjal
(3:45 PM): The link in syllabus is to "major
project"
tdieken (3:45
PM): sorry its been a while since i looked at
that--you're right!
jlevinjal
(3:45 PM): Starts at 9am on Saturday, July 6th (ie.
next Sat), and continues until we're done.
jlevinjal
(3:45 PM): 9am CDT
roxydirector
(3:45 PM): OK, I knew we had set it, but couldn't
remember what it was.
jlevinjal
(3:46 PM): I'll send out a note via email on that
today or tomorrow, since I need to hear from everyone what mechanism they're
going to use, Webboard chat, TAPPED IN or AIM chat.
kragged (3:46
PM): Jim, I think you've answered my
question--it is better to create a new site for the project rather than just
link to the project part in our eportfolio?
jlevinjal
(3:47 PM): I wouldn't both to create a new site
just for the presentation - put that effort into augmenting your project or
your project reprot.
jlevinjal
(3:47 PM): bother, not both
kragged (3:47
PM): thanku, thanku, thanku, and thanks!
roxydirector
(3:48 PM): I think tapped in would be a great setting
for this since you can "project" web links.
jlevinjal
(3:48 PM): Yes, that's a nice feature of TAPPED
IN. You can paste in URL here or
in Webboard chat, but you have to depend on people clicking on them.
mrsjohn2308
(3:48 PM): I didn't think we would have time to
"project" on that day with all of the projects.
jlevinjal
(3:49 PM): each person will get 8 minutes - some
last year used some of their time to project one or two pages.
mrsjohn2308
(3:49 PM): OH, I see.
jlevinjal
(3:49 PM): But obviously you won't be able to
show/project everything.
jlevinjal
(3:50 PM): or even to talk about everything you
did.
jlevinjal
(3:50 PM): So, focus on the most interesting/most
important things to come out of your project for the presentation next Sat.
kragged (3:50
PM): salience
jlevinjal
(3:50 PM): salience?
kragged (3:50
PM): the salient parts
jlevinjal
(3:51 PM): yes, the most salient parts.
tdieken (3:51
PM): thanks for the input-gotta go!
jlevinjal
(3:51 PM): Ok, cu later Tonya.
roxydirector
(3:51 PM): I'm going to sign off now. It's my
husband's birthday. Gotta go whip up a big meal.
tdieken (3:51
PM): have fun!
mrsjohn2308
(3:51 PM): I'm off too, graduation party
jlevinjal
(3:51 PM): Hey, wish him happy birthday Dia.
(3:51 PM)
tdieken has left the room.
mrsjohn2308
(3:52 PM): bye
roxydirector
(3:52 PM): I will.
jlevinjal
(3:52 PM): Wow, everyone's celebrating
(3:52 PM)
roxydirector has left the room.
jlevinjal
(3:52 PM): Best wishes to the grad.
(3:52 PM)
mrsjohn2308 has left the room.
jlevinjal
(3:52 PM): Any celebrations scheduled, John?
kragged (3:52
PM): Germany's victory of course!
jlevinjal
(3:53 PM): You're certain about that?
kragged (3:53
PM): against all odds
jlevinjal
(3:53 PM): What time is the final?
kragged (3:53
PM): 7:00 a.m. EDT
kragged (3:53
PM): should be on ABC
jlevinjal
(3:54 PM): not too bad - are they rescheduling
church services in your neck of the woods?
kragged (3:54
PM): no, but I had to check with my cable
company to be sure it would be on, some carriers have services preshceduled.
jlevinjal
(3:55 PM): Good watching then.
kragged (3:55
PM): I'm still searching for good web
authoring software.
jlevinjal
(3:55 PM): I like Dreamweaver.
jlevinjal
(3:55 PM): Have you tried that yet?
kragged (3:55
PM): yeah, but that's a bundle isn't it?
kragged (3:56
PM): $$$$
jlevinjal
(3:56 PM): There's a student price you might want
to look into (since you're now a UIUC student)
jlevinjal
(3:56 PM): That's very reasonable.
jlevinjal
(3:57 PM): Look at http://www.cstores.uiuc.edu/center/center.html
kragged (3:57
PM): ok, I'll check. the few open source ones
haven't been great, although I am attracted to that quadrant.
jlevinjal
(3:57 PM): $88
jlevinjal
(3:58 PM): Yes, free is good.
kragged (3:58
PM): yup, just found it, I can swing that.
jlevinjal
(3:59 PM): Let me know if you have difficulties
ordering as a distant student.
kragged (3:59
PM): you're a great resource (although I
should've looked there myself) thank you!
jlevinjal
(3:59 PM): What's the retail for Dreamweaver,
approx.?
kragged (3:59
PM): $300
jlevinjal
(4:00 PM): QUITEa diff!
kragged (4:00
PM): I'll place the diff on germany vegas
odds!
jlevinjal
(4:00 PM): Best of luck!
kragged (4:00
PM): not really, i never gamble.
jlevinjal
(4:00 PM): sure thing.
jlevinjal
(4:01 PM): ok, any more questions?
kragged (4:01
PM): well, I'm off to purchase and send the
savings to somebody I already owe it to.
kragged (4:01
PM): nope all set, thanks and bye.
jlevinjal
(4:01 PM): ok, cu later.
(4:01 PM)
kragged has left the room.
jerosend: Hey Jim - got a minute?
jlevinjal: Sure, what's up?
jerosend: Before I put my webboard posting up, take a look at http://students.ed.uiuc.edu/rosendah/project/index.htm
jlevinjal: Ok, I'm in the middle of the chat right now. Want me to do that a bit
later, and then get back to you?
jerosend: Great thanks
jlevinjal: ok, cu later.